2010-02-02 Tuesday Meeting
Attending:
Agenda
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General
- Feedback on Questionnaire
- ASCB Email
- OMERO Mobility by Brian
Notes
admin things
- June mtg 15/16 Paris: no vetoes. Email being send.
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4.2 date: mid-May 15th freeze plus 3 weeks testing
- will need to drop something from possible list
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tracking of ome-users / ome-devel / forums
- keep an eye on it
- some things have been missed
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post-ascb email?
- not happened
- basic text from Jason, and Chris has tools to send content
- demo site, Euro mtg, mailing lists, 4.2 & "thanks for all the fish"
mobility
- small devices in mobile environments
- examining mainly the iPhone
- observations for some feedback
- 1024 x 768 and smaller? (iPad; netbooks and smaller)
- small, 3G, slow CPU
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"tech is crap" (cF. power)
- 64M RAM. "Why bother?"
- hot for mobile 2.0, collaboration
- 3 camps: blackberry, iphone (dedicated push apps) v. web apps
- getting more powerful
- mistake for us to ignore them
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options
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web-enabled app
- screenshots: obviously not designed for the small screen
- web tech: fast, light-weight, server-side, but not rich
- dedicated app
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web-enabled app
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"ideal app"
- some offline viewing, fast; 2-3 clicks showing something (not 5 minute downloading)
- about collaboration; screenshots of facebook iphone app; brilliant for small device
- push notification
- minor tagging / metadata / searching
- multi-touch functionality would be great
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Jason: summary "download this dataset to my device"
- work with and then resync to server ("easy")
- different from "communicative client model" (i.e. online)
- Brian: search/tag/text annotations ok online * pull down & cache dataset shouldn't be too difficult * JPGs anyway
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any data calls?
- no OMERO calls
- Objective-C project skeleton ("interesting")
- very few examples of iPhone in pure C on the web
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Ice?
- Josh: would likely need to generate very slim Obj-C code
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"4G": 50 MB in Stockholm
- Jason: often used 3G modem with reasonable connection with OMERO (can work)
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demo & fb screenshots
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Carlos: can create multiple apps,
- but with .web created by Carlos & Ola could do something similar
- get a thin API to allow for development for all the apps (web/obj-c/...)
- Brian: Rest?
- Carlos: No, not stateless (session-dependent). Ajax. Close to be reusable.
- Documenting what we have!
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Carlos: can create multiple apps,
- flavor of the month-y?
- Donald: just recreating a FB app?
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Chris: we haven't been able to collaborate with this tool
- is this the way?
- NB: almost no CommentAnnotations
- people not willing or tools not good enough?
- Jason: hard to do well, and making steps (progression)
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Jean-Marie: new app means new language, etc.
- using web is just scaling down for smaller screen
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Chris: don't currently have infrastructure for iPhone
- permissions, etc.
- and don't know what requirements are (market unknown)
- we don't have any click data
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Chris: burden on other clients to have same collaboration environment
- cF. shares
- Percentage who have one AND know how to use them??
- Jean-Marie: something to examine, what do they like/use
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Jason: miss being able to see data from group
- easy way to interact
- "need lightweight/browser-based client"
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actions/decisions
- those working on collaboration should define a light-weight API
- Chris: shouldn't be reproducing investigations
- Donald: not on roadmap (ok) but in-line with everyone's work efforts
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Jean-Marie: need to record interactions once we have group permissions
- then we have full power of the web
survey/PM
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scott
- quick as possible (to cover so much information)
- a lot of potential further analysis; feedback welcome
- Jason: need standard deviation, all positive
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Josh: last 7 slides are the things we agreed on
- take out the green and agree on
- Andrew: can I change my answers? (didn't use enough 4s and 5s)
- bubbles are things that didn't get said (and need to)
- filling out boxes that are unfilled? Probably.
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Brian: was anyone looking at other's numbers?
- Colin: did it quite late. Very clear. Tried not to look.
- Carlos: yes, I looked. (Josh's & Chris' when didn't understand question)
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Andrew: made new column at start to not look (values have different slant)
- was a disadvantage
- being careful of misentries
- Everyone read the bubbles
- We will discuss on Thursday
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Also look at three tools: Agilo, Jira, Mingle
- Version of Agilo with our Data?
- Chris: DB upgrade if breaks, later.
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scott
demo/presentations
- permissions demoable on Thursday
- alternatives to DB on Tuesday (added late to iteration)
- Jason is the week after