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2012-03-13 Tuesday Meeting

Attending: Chris, Josh (notes), Andrew, Colin, Emma, Jean-Marie, Liza, Melissa, Ola, Roger, Scott, Sebastien, Stick, Will, Dom (14:02 UK), Curtis (14:32 UK)

Remember: Agenda must be complete (with estimated times) on the day before the meeting. Any additions after that must go at the bottom (AOCB)

Housekeeping Pre-Meeting - 2pm Start

  1. Matters Arising (<10 mins)

    • Josh: explain 2nd action point (for Jean-Marie) DONE
    • Jean-Marie: Make a list of all the deprecated items in 4.4 for discussion next week.
    • Jean-marie: Reply to Rapa asking for whole code
    • Melissa: Reply to Jeeep DONE
    • Melissa: QA Handle #4232, (#4228, #4227 known issue) DONE
    • Ola: Contact re: http://qa.openmicroscopy.org.uk/qa/feedback/4229/
  2. Email and Forum Review - checked at (5 mins)

    • Email -

      • Marek Cebecauer, [ome-users] Ubuntu 12.04
      • Juergen Helmers, [ome-users] importing HCS data as a screen
    • Forums -

    • QA -
      link

      ID  Status  User/email  Type    Created Selected file   Comment Error
      4243    new     a.ostrowski@...     Insight 4.3.3   2012 03 12  -   Was loading yet another large ...   java.lang.Exception: org....
      4240    new     m.spitaler@i...     Insight 4.3.2   2012 03 12  -   -   java.lang.Exception: java...
      4229    new     unknown     Web 4.3.3   2012 03 05  -   -   Traceback (most recent ca...
      

Agenda - 2:30pm Start

  1. Accepting minutes from last meeting

  2. Welcome Roger Leigh

  3. Sprint Bug Report (5 mins)

    • Closed bugs: 19 (1 blocker, 1 critical, 8 major, 9 minor)
    • New bugs: 8 (5 major, 3 minor)
    • Total bugs: 89 (3 blocker, 8 critical, 28 major, 50 minor)
  4. Sprint Tickets/bugs

  5. Logo Redesigns: Liza's presentation (30 mins)

  6. Multiple groups in web vv insight (5 mins - hopefully)

    • Discussed in the office on Thursday. No consensus on two different workflows:
    • Web: rebase tree see screen-shots
    • Insight: Add User, Add Group, Switch Group.
    • Need to decide ASAP if we're OK with the clients being different. If not, what do we go with?
  7. Any other business (<5 mins)

Attending

* Chris, Josh (notes), Andrew, Colin, Emma, Jean-Marie, Liza, Melissa, Ola, Roger, Scott, Sebastien, Stick, Will, Dom (14:02 UK), Curtis (14:32 UK)

Housekeeping Pre-Meeting - 2pm Start

  1. Matters Arising (<10 mins)

    • Josh: explain 2nd action point (for Jean-Marie) DONE
    • Jean-Marie: Make a list of all the deprecated items in 4.4 for discussion next week. DONE see 8017
    • Jean-marie: Reply to Rapa asking for whole code DONE
    • Melissa: Reply to Jeeep DONE
    • Melissa: QA Handle #4232, (#4228, #4227 known issue) DONE
    • Ola: Contact re: http://qa.openmicroscopy.org.uk/qa/feedback/4229/ PENDING
  2. Email and Forum Review - checked at (5 mins)

    • Email -

      • Marek Cebecauer, [ome-users] Ubuntu 12.04 CHRIS
      • Juergen Helmers, [ome-users] importing HCS data as a screen MELISSA
    • Forums -

    • QA -
      link

      ID  Status  User/email  Type    Created Selected file   Comment Error
      4243    new     a.ostrowski@...     Insight 4.3.3   2012 03 12  -   Was loading yet another large ...   java.lang.Exception: org....
      4240    new     m.spitaler@i...     Insight 4.3.2   2012 03 12  -   -   java.lang.Exception: java...
      4229    new     unknown     Web 4.3.3   2012 03 05  -   -   Traceback (most recent ca...
      
  3. Done - 14:05 UK

Agenda - 2:30pm Start

  1. Accepting minutes from last meeting

    • DONE
  2. Welcome Roger Leigh

    • Working with Melissa on Bio-Formats things
  3. Sprint Bug Report (5 mins) - Started 14:31 UK

    • Closed bugs: 19 (1 blocker, 1 critical, 8 major, 9 minor)
    • New bugs: 8 (5 major, 3 minor)
    • Total bugs: 89 (3 blocker, 8 critical, 28 major, 50 minor)
    • Emma: creeping
    • Josh: “closed” isn’t really trustable because of PR interactions.
  4. Sprint Tickets/bugs - Started 14:33 UK

    • Jean-Marie: milestone page updated
      • main activity has been the schema release
      • separate branch
      • no database changes for the moment
      • Chris working on codegen.
      • 2-3 bugs, then we can start reviewing
    • Jean-Marie preparing script testing
      • trying to reduce issues with changing ROIs
      • tests are compiling, but no database yet
    • Andrew:
      • All changes made
      • But need to up the schema
      • Chris: would be good if InProgress were to present.
      • Discuss offline
    • Jean-Marie
      • pushed ability for users to downgrade the version of OME-TIFF
      • probably most useful in commercial setting.
      • Will: looked at video
        • Option should not be “downgrade” but save as version (cF. Word)
        • Jean-Marie: yes, wording has changed
      • Logic will be pushed down to Bio-Formats eventually.
      • Andrew: also a link from that box to documentation.
  5. Logo Redesigns: Liza's presentation (30 mins) - Started 14:38 UK

    • Jean-Marie: could we also include OME-TIFF?
      • Chris: they’re extensible, so sure we can add another.
      • Not possible to have symbol and name in 24x24
      • Jean-Marie: Icon and text like “TIFF” when not much space.
      • Liza: additional text that’s needed should be fine.
      • Intention in style guide is that the icon should be able to stand on it’s own and stand for “OME” in limited space.
    • Curtis:
      • like the logos and the fact that they are co-related
      • Liza: email from Curtis was very helpful
    • Dom: done a great job; very strong
      • prefer set1
        • if you take away the names, seem to resonate better
    • Andrew * advantage of hexagon is that it prevents it from looking like “SScifio”
    • Colin: problem with 3 color OME in OMERO is that it seems to be close
      • Will: also a problem with RO having one color
    • Andrew: seems like every other product has to have an “O”
    • Ola: for standalone symbol, works better with hexagon; but with word, is better without
      • Chris: that’s why hexagon is tilted
    • Andrew: background is transparent or white?
      • transparent?
    • Emma: is the spacing the same on OME and OMERO?
      • smaller, because not final.
    • Dom: any branch needs unique typeface, symbol, and palette
    • Andrew: font to be used for other text or reserved for logos/names for applications?
      • can use it for H1 and H2; chose google font for CSS
      • wouldn’t use it for regular reading text
      • just for blocks of content
      • Dom: paired typeface for smaller?
        • Liza: choose something complementary
        • haven’t looked into it yet.e
    • Ola: bigger space between symbol and text would work better?
      • Liza: will explore.
      • Emma: think that will help.
    • Chris: did you look at any separators other than whitespace
      • Liza: just whitespace, intended to just do it by the same amount
      • Suggestions?
      • Chris: Possibility of a vertical/horizontal
      • Andrew: logo larger?
    • Andrew: for OME logo, permissible to have large hexagon with small letters for a squarish logo?
      • Liza: can do that as a separate version of the logo
      • versions to accomadate space
      • Andrew: every now and then you have something that’s needed as a square
      • Liza: looks a little bit like the Hexagon is supposed to fit within the “M”
    • Scott: color pallete, will any of these be used in clients/web-style for more unity in color scheme
      • Yes!
    • Curtis: like set 2 unilaterally; hexagons add a level of distinction
      • Curtis: Several similar logos to the planes
      • Jean-Marie: perhaps bioformats and scifio as one icon
      • Andrew: would argue for keep names of our products from our name.
      • Melissa: agree.
      • Chris: have this debate at a later date
        • but there’s a large portion of the community that doesn’t recognize “OMERO”
    • Josh:
      • scifio logo is incredibly powerful (would put it up against many commercial ones)
      • feels like 3 different brands; a bit disconcerting.
      • possibly drop the “OMERO” branding?
    • Andrew: hexagons in set 2; use broken hexagon around all them in plain navy
      • would be different from “OME”
      • i.e. products would all be broken.
      • Liza: certainly possible
    • Emma: overlapping colors on scifio
      • what happens to S if you don’t see the overlapping? (only have 3 colors)
      • Liza: scifio in BW you’d only see the shapes (outlines)
      • for t-shirts, would choose solid colors for each part of the plane
      • shouldn’t differ too much. wouldn’t look transparent.
      • Andrew: print for 4 screens to one that needs 6 screens (cost!)
      • Dom: could get away without transparency
    • Jean-Marie: second round for next week? List:
      • greater separation from the symbol
      • solidify the colors / eliminate transparency
      • other separator
      • split hexagons
      • (would rather present sooner rather than later)
    • Dom: you make the decision
  6. Multiple groups in web vv insight (5 mins - hopefully) - Started 15:15 UK

    • Points:
      • Discussed in the office on Thursday. No consensus on two different workflows:
        • Web: rebase tree see screen-shots
        • Insight: Add User, Add Group, Switch Group.
        • Need to decide ASAP if we're OK with the clients being different. If not, what do we go with?
    • Will:
      • How much can we allow the clients to diverge?
      • Each is consistent within itself
        • Dom’s tree that you can browse down; double-click to choose the root of the tree
          • by default, you see all groups/experimenters/data until you filter
          • you can only filter for current level
        • insight rooted in same place, but at any time we can:
          • add user to the view
          • add group to the view
          • switch group
      • Jean-Marie: previous feedback. some groups want to see everything; some want to see one group at a time.
        • have both of these in insight and web.
        • need ability to decide on institution basis.
      • Will: no problem making that consistent.
      • Jean-Marie: next is to dive in. new concept.
      • At group user level, we need some configuration options.
    • Dom: rebasing option you choose when you use it.
      • Jean-Marie: changes current behavior; changes the meaning in double click
      • in insight, it’s open (“browse”) on double-click
      • should run it with a lot of sessions to see what works.
      • used to have something similar to swap between views in insight
      • people didn’t like it; perhaps how it was implemented.
    • Will: if we try to discuss details it will take too long
      • question: do we allow diverging.
      • Dom: ideally you’d have cohesion
      • Emma: slippery slope once you allow divergence.
    • Josh: vote for not diverging until we make a conscious decision
      • etc.
    • Jean-Marie: rebase is interesting, but put on hold for the second
      • too close to release
      • start investigating
      • Dom: how hard to implement in insight?
      • Jean-Marie: not a matter of time. Just one person. Code freeze in month. Second person would be great. Quite challenging. Multiplies the number of bugs.
        • Emma: everyone wants to explore but isn’t top priority.
        • Dom: then leave it out of 4.4 if we have to make a decision, but strongly advise to keep exploring. Want to know conclusively if users take to it. Polish it up and get it in front of users.
        • Dom: without rebasing that tree is going to become massive; so if we don’t have rebase, we should go down the insight route. Have to make that decision.
      • Chris: need to explore sorting
        • server v. client
        • insight is already name or date
        • creation date is different from acquired date!
        • if creation date is missing, can be confusing to just use import date.
      • Dom: decision
        • no rebasing
        • use insight methodology
        • But Will, finish off what we’ve started
        • Emma: should be testing it.
        • Andrew: rebasing is the way I’d rather work.
  7. Any other business (<5 mins) - Started 15:33 UK

    • Nothing.

Action

* Ola: Contact re: http://qa.openmicroscopy.org.uk/qa/feedback/4229/
* J-M: matlab forum
* Chris: ubuntu email
* Melissa: HCS email
* Andrew: look into removing “In-Progress”
* Liza: iterate on logos
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