2011-11-15 Tuesday Meeting
Attending:
Remember: Agenda must be complete (with estimated times) on the day before the meeting. Any additions after that must go at the bottom (AOCB)
Housekeeping Pre-Meeting - 2pm Start
Matters Arising (<10 mins)
- Make sure we invite satellites to next training
- Andrew: put up a paragraph or two about the mtg. as a news story
- Josh: look into jabber logging.
- Andrew: update team/meetings - done
- Everyone: Add notes from meeting to this folder
Email and Forum Review - checked at 13:24 (5 mins)
Email -
- Kim Linton - Re: [ome-users] SVS file format functionality problem
Forums -
- Apache2 on Centos
- Apache VirtualHost
- Re: Strange behaviour with missing/locked images
- Code forum review - none
QA -
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Agenda - 2:30pm Start
Accepting minutes from last meeting
Discussion about documentation (20 min)
- Also: "OMERO modules" as documentation decision
- Training Samples (Python, Java, Matlab) this branch
- Model xsd brower: E.g. OmeModel/Image
Review of Satellite Meeting - Discussion with Jason (20 mins)
- Mailing lists.
Any other business (<5 mins)
- Davey on www?
- Next 2-3 meetings?
- What is appropriate notification method for mini-group meetings?
- Merging scifio branch to develop
Attending
- Carlos, Colin, Josh, Mark, Melissa, Elwood, Will, Andrew, Jason, Emma, Simon, Jean-Marie, Ola, Curtis (at 14:45 UK)
Notes
Matters Arising (<10 mins) 1400 UK
- Make sure we invite satellites to next training
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Emma: we need to figure out who we want to come in what groupings
- Josh: I thought this was referring to our next regular training, i.e. if we're doing norwich,etc. anyway, get them to come.
- Emma: ok not clear from the agenda
- Jason: Why do we want to invite Satellites? What's the rationale?
- Josh: 1) so they learn OMERO and 2) so they learn how to teach OMERO, since they'll likely want to do their own sessions.
- J-M: not sure about the second point, it will depend on the usage they have
- Scott: would that not be better run here where we can create the right training environment ?
- Andrew: It came from the general thought that some of them would have benifited from doing the omero training before the dev meeting
- Jason: Based on last training feedback that 2nd day we really define this ahead of time.
- Josh:Perhaps not. Maybe we just have it on who ever's list of "things to consider" before the next training?
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Emma: also, we will be working closely with these people so could do on the fly training with them whenever if required
- Jason: But we could certainly encourage a satellite to come, if appropriate. Yep, so we agree
- Andrew: put up a paragraph or two about the mtg. as a news story done
- Josh: look into jabber logging. done
- Andrew: update team/meetings - done
- Everyone: Add notes from meeting to this folder
- Any notes are valuable since discussions were so dispersed.
Email and Forum Review - checked at 13:24 (5 mins)
Email -
- Kim Linton - Re: [ome-users] SVS file format functionality problem
- Will will ask for logs and get quantitative timings
Forums -
- Apache2 on Centos Ola to look into it
- Apache VirtualHost Chris/Josh to look into it.
- Re: Strange behaviour with missing/locked images
- In-progress by Josh
- Code forum review - none
QA -
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Accepting minutes from last meeting
Discussion about documentation (20 min) Started at 14:35 UK
- Decision made on “omero modules”
- Google Docs
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Jean-Marie: google docs are becoming as bad as everything else.
- Andrew: nothing permanent should be on the google docs
- Simon: alfresco/gdocs for collaboration
- Andrew: paper and posters (and Jason’s slides) on Alfresco
- Andrew: hardest to use
- Jason: problem to respect is that gdoc powerpoints don’t work well online (professional seminar)
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Training: materials currently under examples/Training
- Josh: Just leave where they are for now and merge
- We’ll see during the next training what we need.
- Jean-Marie: Merge some of the trac page into the comments?
- Jason: who else has looked at it?
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Trac+Plone
- See Josh’s slides
- Will: Perhaps we do the developer docs first
- Josh: That’s ok, but let’s have placeholders for the user docs
- Will: also, we haven’t done the renaming of the plone yet.
- Jason: have a more user-perspective when doing the plone sitemap
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Will: like the two different feels of the two sites (clear context)
- Would like to keep that division.
- Jean-Marie: have to make sure everybody can run the tool.
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Curtis: have been using Drupal CMS to a lot of benefit
- Trac doesn’t have the advantages
- Reluctant to throw that away for the plone site.
- Andrew: WYSIWYG is buggy
- Curtis: module architecture is the other thing.
- To add rich features, you can.
- E.g. voting on OMERO scripts
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Andrew: after having tried to add things to Plone, we decided to not add anything.
- Upgrades were so difficult.
- Curtis: haven’t had problems with drupal
- Josh: good point. Nothing wrong with the CMS as long as we can drop in generated docs
- Jean-Marie: start with the training info from plone?
- Sure.
- Emma: CLS runs on Drupal, so we could have someone talk to us about that.
- Jean-Marie: good point, be more exposed on the CLS site.
- Model xsd brower: E.g. OmeModel/Image Started at 15:12 UK
- Will: had done this a while page and revisited
- Screenshot on the page, but link to the XSLT-based version.
- Jason: can send people the URLs for a part of the model? Yeah.
- Ola: people were asking about how to write queries.
- Jean-Marie: then need the same thing for the database
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Jason: great. Where should it live?
- Jean-Marie: dynamic on the website. Like the validator.
- Andrew: xslt with everything in one file?
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Josh: like it. But if it’s official, we need to test it.
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Will: haven’t checked that everything is present for all elements.
- Using conventions
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Will: haven’t checked that everything is present for all elements.
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Scott: will it have a link from the plone page to trac?
- > < ul>
- Conclusion: continue developing
Review of Satellite Meeting - Discussion with Jason (20 mins)
- Andrew: gave us an understanding of everyone’s assumptions/expectations
- We might have influenced the conversations
- Some of the topics from the slides didn’t get installed.
- Jason: Difficulty of pay-grades, etc.
- Jason: Format? 2 days?
- Emma: 1.5 would have been good (partly due to the heat)
- Ola: Good to have Melissa, Josh, Carlos around is good
- Jason for Johannes: issues with IT
- Jason: need to do another one
- Andrew: same people again?
- …
- Andrew: have separate talk sessions and only get altogether for lunch, etc.
- Jean-Marie: Have to be careful about not putting people in a box.
- Emma: plus new people at some point.
- Carlos: general (large) presentations isn’t the best use of time
- don’t like each mini-group being on its own, either
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Worked best personally was group of chairs with specific themes
- Some people jumped around.
- All the knowledge was there, but didn’t need everyone to be focused at one time.
- Jean-Marie: agreed, but too long (by that time we’d been through too much)
- Jason: we will bring different groups back for concrete development work.
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Elwood: good to have small show-case sessions again? Probably.
- Jean-Marie: could even have users who are interested.
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Jason: perhaps one-day of presentations, then schedule for the next day or two of real work
- Have been to meetings of the sessions that each person wants to run
Any other business (<5 mins) Started at 15:43 UK
- Davey on www?
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Next 2-3 meetings?
- Colin is next week
- December: nothing scheduled.
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What is appropriate notification method for mini-group meetings?
- Ola: not ome-devel
- Issue: missing out on people who aren’t on nitpick.
- Ola: Are they interested in templates?
- Jason: isn’t it their job?
- Josh ...
- Ola: * need to do better join on the milestone, they can see the stories, etc. * web developers internal meeting. decided next 6-7 requirements (6 months+) * what we’re trying to do and the details are in the ticket. * if someone is not sure what’s going on, then ask. * web-team@: don’t want alias to duplicate omero-team@ * what’s the purpose of people coming there? 4-5 people talking about technical details. * Will: can send it to nitpick. Convenient. Not really inviting everyone.
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Jason: spirit of what Josh is saying is “invitation” v. “announcement”
- won’t be able to anticipate what they’re doing
- serendipity can only happen if it’s not by invitation-only
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Will: more important to keep in touch with them
- Have meetings with them where we invite them.
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Jean-Marie: if a satellite is waiting on a feature, planning my work around it and then it gets pushed (“3 weeks”)
- When do they have a chance to ask why?
- Simon: what happens if the feedback is that “half of our stuff’s not on there”
- ...lots of discussion...
- something between ome-nitpick (holidays) and ome-devel (all devs)
- ome-project@...
- Scott: do we need to be on any mailing list for the institutions?
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web-team time: Jason would like to come. 3 UK Mon is group meeting. Earlier is hard.
- Carlos can only come after lunch.
- 1630 UK? …
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Merging scifio branch to develop
- Curtis: any objections? Just got busy yesterday.
- Chris? Don’t know if he’s looked at it.
- Jason: contact him directly. (Flying back on the 18th)
- Melissa: rebasing off of develop helped.
- Curtis: sending to Chris just to confirm.
- Feedback on devteam housecleaning (Will)
- Emma: There were some that were better discussed.
- Josh: perhaps be quicker to push to AOCB
- Will: took longer and wasn’t able to do work at desk anyway.
- Jason: don’t see how it can work.
- Emma: people will need to have looked before hand.
- Andrew: but email only gets put in a few minutes before hand.
- Colin: was about housekeeping while other people hadn’t joined; and/or sitting around without people there.
- Emma: may be have been more enjoyable sitting in the room.
- Andrew: ASCB poster. Design for scratch?
- Reduce text content? Yes.
- Send suggestions to Andrew
- iPads to give away at the JCB booth
Done at 16:30 UK
Actions
* Josh: ask Chris about VirtualHost
* Ola: link ticket to Alex’s QA or create new ones
* Will: ask for timings on SVS files
* Andrew: cleanup google docs and define organization
* Will: look at using includes for the training inclusion
* Andrew: ask Andrew about drupal
* Trainers: trying training docs under sphinx
* Andrew: get Davey on the website