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2011-05-24 Tuesday Meeting

Attending: Josh, Andrew, Colin, Curtis, Donald, Jason, Josh, Melissa, Brian, Ola, Will, Jean-Marie, Chris, Scott, Simon

Agenda

Remember: Agenda must be complete (with estimated times) on the day before the meeting. Any additions after that must go at the bottom (AOCB)

  1. Accepting minutes from last meeting

  2. Matters Arising (<10 mins)

    • Chris: fix OMERO.clients build - PENDING
      • Building sporatically. Dependency builds are causing an issue. Need to spend time figuring out best way to fix
      • For the moment will just leave it alone. We all know where to get the clients.
      • Jason: Need to make sure we have links for the right location to front page of trac
    • Andrew: Handle logistics for getting Mac RAM upgraded - Ticket submitted to CLS IT
    • Everyone: When completed your importing test (and bug tickets created), you can close your task - IN PROGRESS
    • Scott: add developer testing stories: "go to scripting page, and do X, ..." INPROGRESS
    • Andrew: order a hi-res projector - Waiting for quote
    • Brian: manual fixes to workplan PENDING
    • Ola: When updating server, go to insight trunk and omero trunk and set latest build to QA,
      • Then update everyone with info (by email or trac)
    • JMB: Fix trac front page based on the above changes (by email now) done
    • Will: assign web-mobile testing scenario to Jason
    • Andrew: add to agenda TODO list "copy PENDING to new action items" - done
    • Andrew: add ticket for validator - #5391 done
    • JMB: Need a release plan page on the wiki (Andrew: should make it generic to be copy/pasted per release) http://trac.openmicroscopy.org.uk/ome/wiki/ReleaseProcess
    • Andrew: add "schema freeze" to release schedule documentation page - which first DB or Model?
    • Josh: use or delete "ReleaseProcess" from wiki done
    • Andrew: post CLS vacancy on webpage, lists, forums (http://www.lifesci.dundee.ac.uk/vacancies/2011/05/16/project-manager) - done
    • GUI teams: implement or ticket showing MissingPyramidException.backOff to users.
    • Scott: start Phase II (import only) once Melissa signs off on changes.
    • Scott: add times next to scenarios.
    • Everyone: record scenarios
    • Chris: reply to forum user re: big images and preparing a screencast video for him.
  3. Paris Meeting Agenda and Plan (10 mins)

  4. Plans for Interviewing Job Candidates (5 mins)

  5. Sprint and Testing Status

    • #5010 & db version (Josh)
      • enums stable?
    • Use of Windows machine for Server (Josh)
    • New scenarios?? Too much?
      • 5154 Add TestingScenarios for changing pre-4.3 big images
      • 3223 Add TestingScenarios for omero.data.dir files
      • 4690 Add CLI actions to TestingScenarios
      • 5139 Add LDAP tests to TestingScenarios
      • 5513 Validate OME-TIFF export after schema changes
    • New report. Who wants a copy & how often?

   Story |          summary           | Open tickets | Closed tickets | % Done 
   -------+----------------------------+--------------+----------------+--------
    4782 | Testing Scenarios          |            4 |             45 |   91.8
    4957 | File Formats_Phase_1       |            0 |             14 |  100.0
    5369 | Testing Phase I Bugs       |           29 |             75 |   72.1
    5371 | File Formats Phase I BUGS  |           12 |             15 |   55.6
    5379 | File Formats_Phase_2       |           12 |              0 |    0.0
    5380 | File Formats Phase II BUGS |            0 |              0 |    0.0
    5432 | Testing Phase II Bugs      |            0 |              0 |    0.0
    5439 | Testing Scenarios_Phase_2  |           44 |              0 |    0.0
   (8 rows)
   

  1. Phase I Testing Reflection (15 mins)

    • The use of the scenarios to catch bugs .
    • Evolution for Testing scenarios.
    • General improvements for the process creation have been scripts for automating ticket creation, clearly setting out trac front page.
  2. Any other business (<5 mins)

    • Scott: Reply back from Cancer research - Their response is that it will all depend on the amount of cost involved, need an estimate? There is also some concern of enough time for organising the event and advertising it?

In Attendance

  • Josh, Andrew, Carlos, Colin, Curtis, Donald, Jason, Josh, Melissa, Brian, Ola, Will, Jean-Marie, Chris, Scott, Simon

Notes

  1. Accepting minutes from last meeting

    • ACCEPTED
  2. Matters Arising (<10 mins) Started 14:30

    • Chris: fix OMERO.clients build - PENDING
      • Building sporatically. Dependency builds are causing an issue. Need to spend time figuring out best way to fix
      • For the moment will just leave it alone. We all know where to get the clients.
      • Jason: Need to make sure we have links for the right location to front page of trac
        • Using emails every morning (by Ola) instead
    • Andrew: Handle logistics for getting Mac RAM upgraded - Ticket submitted to CLS IT - DONE
      • Most of the machines can only take 4 GB not 8.
    • Everyone: When completed your importing test (and bug tickets created), you can close your task - DONE
      • Blockers are in and being worked on
    • Scott: add developer testing stories: "go to scripting page, and do X, ..." INPROGRESS
      • Needs to check this.
      • JMB: Scenarios need refining.
      • Will: have been reviewing scripting guide.
        • Could just point user to that.
        • JMB: perhaps the scenario needs to be broken down more than just "follow scripting guide"
        • Scott will review what we've learn from testing phase 1 - will discuss will Simon
    • Andrew: order a hi-res projector - WAITING FOR QUOTE
    • Brian: manual fixes to workplan PENDING
      • Chris: let's do the manual ones, and then push the first automated ones.
      • Brian: will push the automated ones first
      • Chris: specifically? The regexes.
      • By Thursday? Sure.
    • Ola: When updating server, go to insight trunk and omero trunk and set latest build to QA, DONE
      • Then update everyone with info (by email or trac)
    • JMB: Fix trac front page based on the above changes (by email now) DONE
    • Will: assign web-mobile testing scenario to Jason DONE
    • Andrew: add to agenda TODO list "copy PENDING to new action items" - DONE
    • Andrew: add ticket for validator - #5391 DONE
    • JMB: Need a release plan page on the wiki (Andrew: should make it generic to be copy/pasted per release) http://trac.openmicroscopy.org.uk/ome/wiki/ReleaseProcess DONE
    • Andrew: add "schema freeze" to release schedule documentation page
      • Question: which first DB or Model?
      • JMB: Probably a mistake (should be Model before DB)
    • Josh: use or delete "ReleaseProcess" from wiki DONE
    • Andrew: post CLS vacancy on webpage, lists, forums (http://www.lifesci.dundee.ac.uk/vacancies/2011/05/16/project-manager) - DONE
    • GUI teams: implement or ticket showing MissingPyramidException.backOff to users. PENDING
      • Ola: Needs to be ticketed (with reference to how its implemented)
    • Scott: start Phase II (import only) once Melissa signs off on changes. TO REVIEW TODAY
      • Not started yet.
    • Scott: add times next to scenarios. TO REVIEW TODAY
    • Everyone: record scenarios DONE
    • Chris: reply to forum user re: big images and preparing a screencast video for him. DONE
      • Jason: where's the movie?
      • Chris: said we were going to prepare a screencast video; haven't created it yet but replied to user
      • Features for that should be place now for the screencast to be done
  3. Paris Meeting Agenda and Plan (10 mins) Started 14:46

    • Jason: Curtis, did you get the meeting invite for webex? Yes, haven't used it in the past.
    • More compressed and denser than previously
    • No more waffling at the beginning
    • Start with technical discussion (45 minutes for OME team)
    • Andrew: Talks to introduce day 2 sessions?
    • Jason: idea board
      • Josh: similar to http://www.dotmocracy.org/
    • Jean-Marie: preference for new speakers as opposed to those in Norwich
    • Chris: work on order to keep things flowing
    • Will: quick round table so we know who's present
      • "I'm using omero", "I haven't used OMERO", etc.
    • Jean-Marie: prepare a list before hand
    • Will: perhaps everyone should bring a poster?
    • Jason: meeting at which they took a picture of everyone
      • and attached a list of "what you want to get out of the meeting?"
    • Also may need to add Gianluigi
    • Andrew: some people may think they can skip the second day
      • We want serious feedback, serious discussion
  4. Plans for Interviewing Job Candidates (5 mins) Started 15:05

    • 3 candidates for the HIC project
    • Hard to get a big group into interview process, but still need everyone to participate
    • Would be nice to have everyone present
    • Was thinking morning/afternoon of June 1st, then detailed interview with a few team members. Opinions?
      • Everyone seems fine with it
  5. Sprint and Testing Status (Started 15:09)

    • #5010 & db version (Josh)
      • enums stable?
      • Discussion:
        • Does anyone have a reason not to change the DB name? No
        • Enums are stable
    • Use of Windows machine for Server (Josh)
      • See also Scott's #5174
        • Seems some trouble with Windows. Would be nice if we varied our testing phases so one entire phase is windows
        • Chris: Just need the time to set it up.
        • Need a (Tuesday?) training sessions to get everyone up to speed with Virtual Center.
        • JMB: Realistic to have this ready for Phase 2? Chris: I think so.
        • Josh will set up windows server in the morning for folks
        • Ola: Is it possible to get this server install automated in Hudson?
          • Josh: Lets discuss, Ola
    • New scenarios?? Too much?
      • Specifically
        • 5154 Add TestingScenarios for changing pre-4.3 big images
        • 3223 Add TestingScenarios for omero.data.dir files
        • 4690 Add CLI actions to TestingScenarios
        • 5139 Add LDAP tests to TestingScenarios
        • 5513 Validate OME-TIFF export after schema changes
      • Josh: The critical issue is do we have any blind spots that are completely not tested?
      • How to prioritize them?
      • JMB: Someone needs to draft them. Scott can't do them all.
      • Ola will help with LDAP
      • Will will do some CLI tests
      • Andrew will do some OME-TIFF tests
      • Chris will add to omero.data.dir
      • Chris: keep in mind that we're now doing the phase ticket creation by script
        • That's the central location for the scenarios itself.
        • Any changes to the testing scenario page will need to be kept sync'd up.
    • New report. Who wants a copy & how often?
      • Jason at 7 AM DONE

   Story |          summary           | Open tickets | Closed tickets | % Done 
   -------+----------------------------+--------------+----------------+--------
    4782 | Testing Scenarios          |            4 |             45 |   91.8
    4957 | File Formats_Phase_1       |            0 |             14 |  100.0
    5369 | Testing Phase I Bugs       |           29 |             75 |   72.1
    5371 | File Formats Phase I BUGS  |           12 |             15 |   55.6
    5379 | File Formats_Phase_2       |           12 |              0 |    0.0
    5380 | File Formats Phase II BUGS |            0 |              0 |    0.0
    5432 | Testing Phase II Bugs      |            0 |              0 |    0.0
    5439 | Testing Scenarios_Phase_2  |           44 |              0 |    0.0
   (8 rows)
   

  1. Phase I Testing Reflection (15 mins) (Started at 15:22)

    • The use of the scenarios to catch bugs.
      • Regular testing would allow us a chance to add new scenarios.
      • JMB: Add a "scenario freeze" to ReleaseProcess
    • Evolution for Testing scenarios.
    • General improvements for the process creation have been scripts for automating ticket creation, clearly setting out trac front page.
      • Scott: need to be careful to keep on top of the bugs
      • Jason: just had a good Web meeting going through all the bugs.
        • Smaller groups doing this might be helpful
        • JMB: If Monday is the start of testing, then we can spend some time looking at the bugs.
        • That will also help us organize the short summer milestone
    • JMB: Testing phase 1 - when is it realistic to start a second phase (currently at 72% done)
      • Chris: percentage doesn't factor in at all.
      • Need to evaluate blockers. Better to just evaluate on a Tuesday/Thursday to see what's left.
      • Josh: That means leave the bugs in without moving them to 'unscheduled' etc to help metrics
    • JMB: Do we start File Format Phase 2? Chris: changes are in.
      • Melissa, are we ready? (She thinks we're ready).
        • Complete by Thursday meeting.
        • Josh: Also need to add some libraries to insight before we test
  2. Any other business (<5 mins) (Started at 15:33)

    • Scott: Reply back from Cancer research - Their response is that it will all depend on the amount of cost involved, need an estimate? There is also some concern of enough time for organising the event and advertising it?
      • Chris: They are paying for trip and accomodations? Yes
        • Can we get a rough idea of costs?
        • Jason: Assume a round trip ticket of £200, plus accomodations. Can be discussed offline
        • Scott can do a rough estimate and send to Jason for sanity check

Action Items

  • Josh: add ticket for BackOff in Web/Insight for Ola/JMB
  • Documentation?
  • Andrew: name badges
  • Josh: prepare Phase II on Windows (talk to Ola about automating it)
  • Ola add a few points for LDAP testing scenarios
  • Will add a few points for CLI testing scenarios
  • Andrew add a few points for OME-TIFF testing scenarios
  • Chris add to ticket 3223
  • Scott: add "scenario freeze" date (mentioning that after each feature is written, the scenario should also be written)
  • Everyone: finish all file format scenarios by Thursday meeting.
  • Scott: send rough cost estimate to Jason for trips down south
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