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2010-01-26 Tuesday Meeting

Agenda

Notes

  • Agenda (addenda)

    • Estimates
    • Google docs
    • Tools
  • Estimates

    • Think they are on all items
    • Discussion
      • Model: 5 days for X people needs to be broken down
      • need to be able to see how the workload is balanced
  • WorkPlan

    • https://trac.openmicroscopy.org.uk/omero/wiki/WorkPlan
  • Google Docs / checklist

    • Did everyone have a look? Apparently yes.
    • Find our goals
    • Needs to be something we can agree on
    • Jean-Marie
      • -5 to 5, no parts
      • hard finish deadline: Monday night
    • Process them for Tuesday
    • Empty answers: question mark is unclear, blank is no opinion
      • non-numerical means
      • 0 is no opinion
      • empty is don't understand
    • strong disagreements
      • this is just a plan/survey
      • need to work towards consensus
      • will look for workarounds, etc.
    • Scott: adding mgmt questions?
      • Jean-Marie: later step
    • anonymity?
    • Jason
      • we've spent more time on scoping 4.2
      • hopefully in a few months we're saying "that was worth it"
      • is this survey appropriate now? or in 6 weeks? probably both
      • Jean-Marie: another survey, don't combine too many things
        • the question at the moment is process/tool for the majority
  • Tools (Mingle & Jira)

    • Donald
      • Jira seems complicated (UI), fewer display options
      • Mingle, more stream-lined, easier to define views
      • Mingle, SVN integration with mingle wasn't as complete
      • Mingle, neater, more pretty, more slick
    • Chris
      • Jira setup was a pig. (JaveEE app)
        • powerful, tons of features
        • multiple way to describe linkages between 2 tickets
        • might take a couple of weeks to get setup
        • we have to share the proj mgmt load
      • neither of the 2 has as good source integration (display/tools)
        • no display in Jira
      • neither does everything out of the box
        • need fiddling
        • possibly sacrifices
      • neither will import trac data
        • will probably have to write tools to import
    • the trac-based ones didn't support dependencies
      • Josh: I think agilo does
      • Chris: will try to get that setup.
    • Donald
      • mingle is more reliable ($$ and company's using it); has training
      • Andrew: is that also an argument for Windows?
    • Jason
      • turning it around, are these an improvement?
      • Chris: both will certainly track more knowledge of the process ---- exchange, visualize, encourage us to put the info in ---- (trac discourages all that)
      • Donald: agree. both give an overview of the whole system
        • google-map style zooming in and out
    • Jason: coming from a different background, this feels alien
    • Ola
      • mingle is powerful in terms of progress
      • how much of the process should be automatic (v. by-hand)
      • Chris: jira/mingle takes text from commit into issue/card
      • Jean-Marie: a best practice
      • Chris: we'll have to be militant about the commit formats! (mingle)
      • Chris: mingle has nice chat integration (automatic devteam!)
        • i.e. collaboration environment (different philosophy)
        • Jira is more focused on issue tracking
    • Jason: does one have more traction?
      • both are moving
      • Jira is huge, lots of opensource up-take
      • Mingle is a bit more fragile
    • Jean-Marie: as we get more QA tickets need something to handle it
      • Chris: not designed to satisfy open-source workflow (public is extra)
      • Andrew: any problem being open?
        • Chris: No. Just have to configure/pay.
    • Jason: what do the public URLs look like?
      • chris: mingle ones look nicer
  • Jason (misc)

    • trips; meetings in the US
    • JCB would like UI updates to page
    • ASCB: thinking about experimental ontology
      • cF. ontology-lookup-service
      • on-going (in planning)
    • Bio team funding deadline April 1, waiting
    • kinetchore tracking is acceptied in JCB
      • production mode
    • Big day: June 26th
    • growing team, and not exclusively in Dundee
      • lifetime, hcs, etc.
      • also people for istalling/evangelizing
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